@skastr052 > It allows testing "what would this look like" scenarios easily.
just want to chime in here, this is also what I see the best value of this "agentic coding" thing. I start to use agent to explore ideas that would not write myself due to too time consuming or "boring" to write.
Is this setup for everyone? Does this work? Isn't this just giving you a false sense of productivity? Won't this result in complete slop code?
All fair questions. I believe this is quite advanced and can potentially create a serious attention residue problem as you open several different threads but don't quite close them. If you can iterate quickly using a single thread, then I'd approach carefully, but with an open mind.
Also, I understand that for this to be effective, your codebase requires an in-depth support for coding agents, beginning with the agent md files, but also extensive test suites, type-safety, thorough architecture guidelines and linter configurations.
Even then, the agents are at a point where they may just completely fail occasionally, so you also want to review and discard fast, which requires experience. In this setups case, you just discard the worktree. Done.
You can absolutely use this to write bad code, but why would you? Generated code is still your responsibility. Scale up as you can manage. Sometimes a single neovim window, a paper notebook, and a few hours of deep reading is the most valuable thing you can do, too. Be smart.
If however you're finding yourself bored as you fire off your agent, waiting for it to do things, then the feeling of managing 10 agents across 5 tabs is like no other, and this has allowed me to do some crazy stuff so far. I'd say it's worth trying.
@skastr052@AmpCode many thanks for sharing your setup, really helps me a lot! just curious have you tried @augmentcode ? It is an extension, and recently just released CLI. I undersand you are terminal first, but maybe you have tried it with vscode/cursor befor?
I think this is mostly right.
- LLMs created a whole new layer of abstraction and profession.
- I've so far called this role "Prompt Engineer" but agree it is misleading. It's not just prompting alone, there's a lot of glue code/infra around it. Maybe "AI Engineer" is ~usable, though it takes something a bit too specific and makes it a bit too broad.
- ML people train algorithms/networks, usually from scratch, usually at lower capability.
- LLM training is becoming sufficently different from ML because of its systems-heavy workloads, and is also splitting off into a new kind of role, focused on very large scale training of transformers on supercomputers.
- In numbers, there's probably going to be significantly more AI Engineers than there are ML engineers / LLM engineers.
- One can be quite successful in this role without ever training anything.
- I don't fully follow the Software 1.0/2.0 framing. Software 3.0 (imo ~prompting LLMs) is amusing because prompts are human-designed "code", but in English, and interpreted by an LLM (itself now a Software 2.0 artifact). AI Engineers simultaneously program in all 3 paradigms. It's a bit 😵💫
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i now actively recommend against rust for vibe coding
the speed of the wheel matters
llms hallucinate and if the compilation speed is slow
the speed of generation (attempts per minute) suffers
rust compilation is too slow thus hallucinations punish
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@justine_chang39@AmpCode Thanks for this great thread! I especially love the part that we should deliberately ask Amp to divide into many many many phases, so that we can check its action promptly. And indeed automation or speed is not the main goal of agentic coding, instead, quality is the goal.
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